Is Sanzo a virgin?

[louiselux]

It's Monday, time for a poll! So, my Saiyuki friends, here's the question:

[Poll #621505]

eta: do feel free to elaborate in comments.

Comments

[jamjar.livejournal.com]

For a definition of virgin involving consensual and also, mutual orgasms.

[scribblemoose]

.... but not for long. ^_~

[louiselux.livejournal.com]

Hehehe.

[louiselux.livejournal.com]

So, mutual masturbation or something like that?

[hungry-worm.livejournal.com]

First I wanted to choose the other possibility, but then I thought of the saying: "you don't miss what you don't know"...

Well, it's not disinterest as such, but he seems not to be affected by other's, er, wooing rituals (lack of understanding?) That, and the perpetual state of being grumpy and easily irritated can be interpreted in many ways. ;D

[new-kate.livejournal.com]

He probably is in his Burial saga, but I don't think he is now. And not just because he had known Hakkai and Gojyo for four years *cough*. Seems like, urges aside, they way Gojyo had sex to fill the void (um, so to speak XD), and Hakkai did it because of love, and Goku'd do it because it sounds like FUN, Sanzo would do it to have done it. He's like that.

You know this buddhist story: two travelling monks met a woman who asked them to carry her across the stream. One of them did so, and they continued on their way. Some time later the second monk said: "That was a wrong thing to do, we are not supposed to touch women." The first one replied: "I've put her down already, and you are still carrying her." This sounds like Koumyou's version of birds and bees talk to me.

However!!! Virgin Sanzo fic set at any point of the timeline? YES PLEASE!!!

[emungere.livejournal.com]

I said yes, but I may in fact have meant no. Because I could see him trying it once while he was off on his own, not thinking much of it, and just not bothering to try it again.

[jamjar.livejournal.com]

I find it incredibly likely for Sanzo to have had bad not-reciprocated sex, and for it to happen either way. One of those badtouch monks from his youth, or him refusing to get off, or being pressured in to it, or being scornful and so hard and still acting contemptuous while Gojyo jerks off, maybe even using his own but refusing to admit that it effects him, and Gojyo is maybe fucked up, but also grinning because he can see and...

Um. Or something like that.

[myroughdraft.livejournal.com]

I've thought long and hard (omg o-o) about this in the past, and I think he's a virgin. He has no use for sex.

[telophase.livejournal.com]

He has such a thing about being touched by anyone, physically or emotionally, that I can't see him having even casual, meaningless, or bad sex. Goku's managed to get close to him primarily because he was a kid when they met. He respects Hakkai in a weird way, but they both keep their barriers up so high I think there's little chance of anything happening. Gojyo's got that thing about commitment, and I can't really see him seriously trying to sleep with someone he's knows he's going to be forced to see the next morning, and the next morning, and the next morning. Sanzo tends to block Gojyo with his gun whenever Gojyo gets too close physically or emotionally with his flirting and teasing - I don't think he's let that barrier down in the past.

Now, Sanzo is deeply conflicted and there's a good chance he wants to have that closeness with someone deep inside, but he's also very good at denial and I doubt he allows himself to think about it.

[telophase.livejournal.com]

Mm. I see Sanzo as too conflicted at this point in time to be able to put anyone down like that. He's carrying Goku, Gojyo, and Hakkai, no matter how much he claims not to, and he's still carrying Koumyou around, too.

[yonmei.livejournal.com]

You didn't allow for the option of "don't know, don't care" so I subtly voted for it anyway by pressing Submit Poll and not clicking either of the clicky-things.

But you might not have noticed unless I let you know, hence this comment. :-)

[louiselux.livejournal.com]

Hmm, that's a nice image. ;)

I agree though. If he'd had sex, then it was almost defintely bad sex. I think he'd be terrible at it and it might not even occur that he was supposed to be giving someone else pleasure, or even himself.

[louiselux.livejournal.com]

Yes, there's his first kill, which must've been absolutely appalling and put him on his guard ever since.

He doesn't seem interested in physical pleasures, really.

[louiselux.livejournal.com]

I didn't know that story, and I really like it. It's true - it's so much like something Koumyou might've said. I think I'd find your argument the most compelling of everyone's, if it weren't for the feeling that Sanzo wouldn't dare let anyone get that close to his maelstrom of issues, possibly in case the lid came off.

I would *love* virgin!Sanzo fic - if only someone would write some!! Although at some point I've decided I'm going to try and write my 'Sanzo falls in love with OC' story that I mentioned a while ago, and I think he may be a virgin in that, or as good as.

[louiselux.livejournal.com]

Yeah - I think something along those lines too, although I still tend to also think he would've avoided close contact with anyone, apart from Goku, like the plague. I just can't decide.

[louiselux.livejournal.com]

I think I know what you mean - that he just doesn't see the point? I kind of think that's based on a horror of intimacy though, which the right person could break through

[cicer.livejournal.com]

He totally is. The kid grew up in a monastery, for heaven's sake, and as soon as he left the only people he met were usually trying to rape/kill him, which I'm sure left a bunch of trauma. Who is he going to have sex with, anyway? He's just way too uptight, and too tense and fearful about letting anyone else touch him like that. I don't think he trusts anyone enough to have sex with him. Plus, as someone else said, he really has no use for sex.

I really need to dust off that half-finished virgin!Sanzo fic, don't I?

[louiselux.livejournal.com]

I almost certainly think he does want that closeness, but it's unacknowledged like you say, possibly also because he also thinks he doesn't deserve it. He clearly still blames himself for the death of Koumyou. The point about how he uses his gun on Gojyo is interesting, in light of the first person he ever shot being someone who was intending to assault him sexually.

[louiselux.livejournal.com]

Well, thanks. ;) I had to go and try that myself to see what happened. I wasn't really interested in knowing the numbers of don't know/don't care.

[louiselux.livejournal.com]

You so do

I can see him having sex with a stranger, precisely because he'd never have to see them again or bother about trusting them. Although perhaps he might be tempted to hold a gun to their head the whole time. Alternatively, I can see teenage Sanzo during the Burial arc deciding he's absolutely never going to touch anyone like that ever, and that habit of thought sticking as he gets older because of the trauma, but also because it's just easier.

So, do you think he trusts Hakkai or Gojyo enough to have sex with them, really?

[telophase.livejournal.com]

I don't remember exactly what was in the room where chibi young Sanzo picked his gun, but I think it's certainly telling that he chose a distance weapon rather than one where you have to get up close and personal. Hakkai's like that, too - his chi blasts work from a distance, while Gojyo's and Goku's weapons are more hands-on type of things. Hm.

[yonmei.livejournal.com]

I wasn't really interested in knowing the numbers of don't know/don't care.

I figured you probably weren't. But what are livejournal polls for, if not to provide detailed information you're not really interested in? :-)

[viridian5.livejournal.com]

In the manga the room had rifles, spears, and swords. Little 13-year-old Sanzo chose his gun for the expressed reason that it was small enough that he could use it to put a hole through his head at any time. It's canonically that he could kick butt from a young age but a lot of the weapons were not a good size for how he was at the time.

Adult Sanzo with a rifle gives me scary sniper thoughts. *g*

I can see the distance thing. It's appropriate for him. The sutra is also a distance weapon.

[telophase.livejournal.com]

[digression] I still think one of my favoritest bits evar is when they're in the drinking contest and Sanzo gets pissed off at someone and starts to throw a Makai Tenjou on him, until Hakkai stops him. XD Sanzo losing his temper is ♥[/digression]