Saiyuki Reload 3 thoughts
Mar. 25th, 2006 12:55 pmJust a few quick thoughts on Reload 3, specifically the last chapters of Against the Stream and the Sanzo ikkou-as-team:
I've been rereading these two scenes over and over in the past few days, where the ikkou are fighting Kougaiji.
desdenova's post about structure chimed in with something I noticed: the scene on page 24-25 : Gojyo, Sanzo and Hakkai move completely instinctively as a fighting team, without even discussing what they're going to do: Hakkai defends and Gojyo and Sanzo flank with a double attack, setting up Gojyo's further attack. Goku and Gojyo attack together later on, too.
It's a very clear development for them, from vol 9 when Hakkai first suggests they attack as a team and Goku has to ask what 'teamwork' means. I'm pretty sure Sanzo would never think to utter the word.
There are other things I like about that scene: Gojyo stepping forward to fight Kougaiji-- but it's Doku he tells that he won't hold back. Is this the first time Gojyo has fought Kougaiji one to one?
Gojyo must be more than a little resentful and jealous of how Kougaiji has replaced Gojyo in Doku's loyalties and this is only highlighted by Doku watching them fight and making those comparisons between the two. Gojyo taunts Kougaiji, which the others don't do (Prince Stupid). In fact, their fight turns into fisticuffs and wrestling, which I like because I can imagine Gojyo just itching to pop him one on the nose. Also, some of Yaone's thoughts about Kougaiji in that scene: 'kinder than anyone' could easily mean Gojyo too.
Also, I love how Yaone and Doku quite openly adore their leader, and Sanzo's annoyance when Gojyo points this out: 'No one asked you!"
I've been rereading these two scenes over and over in the past few days, where the ikkou are fighting Kougaiji.
It's a very clear development for them, from vol 9 when Hakkai first suggests they attack as a team and Goku has to ask what 'teamwork' means. I'm pretty sure Sanzo would never think to utter the word.
There are other things I like about that scene: Gojyo stepping forward to fight Kougaiji-- but it's Doku he tells that he won't hold back. Is this the first time Gojyo has fought Kougaiji one to one?
Gojyo must be more than a little resentful and jealous of how Kougaiji has replaced Gojyo in Doku's loyalties and this is only highlighted by Doku watching them fight and making those comparisons between the two. Gojyo taunts Kougaiji, which the others don't do (Prince Stupid). In fact, their fight turns into fisticuffs and wrestling, which I like because I can imagine Gojyo just itching to pop him one on the nose. Also, some of Yaone's thoughts about Kougaiji in that scene: 'kinder than anyone' could easily mean Gojyo too.
Also, I love how Yaone and Doku quite openly adore their leader, and Sanzo's annoyance when Gojyo points this out: 'No one asked you!"
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Date: 2006-03-25 08:35 pm (UTC)I get really ticked off at Doku for Gojyo's sake. Moron, your brother is alive but you're spending a lot of time trying to hurt and kill him in service of the guy you adopted to make up for abandoning him. That is messed up.
I don't even want to guess at what initial training with the shakujou had been like. Can you imagine the early, clumsy mishaps? Eek.
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Date: 2006-03-26 06:08 am (UTC)Hakkai certainly seems to get much better with qi as time goes on, and that seems to be his youkai weapon.
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Date: 2006-03-25 11:01 pm (UTC)It *is* messed up, and I always wonder would they really fight each other to the death? I suppose it can be explained by them both having been able to move on and find a new family elsewhere. I imagine this moving on might be slightly easier for Gojyo than Doku, hence the continual angsting.
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Date: 2006-03-25 11:05 pm (UTC)My personal conviction that Doku is a moron helps me think Doku is never going to get over it. The man has no self-knowledge. Any personal insight that comes has to be beaten into his head.
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Date: 2008-11-14 10:58 am (UTC)Re: IMHO
Date: 2008-11-14 04:08 pm (UTC)I do have more feeling toward him in the anime because it had the brotherhood episode. In the manga he tends to really tick me off.
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Date: 2008-11-14 04:36 pm (UTC)...tho' it makes me wonder if Kougaiji is for some reason forced or actually just orders Doku to kill Gojyo..would he go ahead and do it? Pretend to try his best against Gojyo? Or actually turn on Kou? Or even flee the team due to indecisiveness?...I think that's when we;ll know his true colors..tho' as unlikely as that'd happen..
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Date: 2008-11-15 05:17 am (UTC)It's interesting open up the character's psyche
Just noticed this place is old..and I get the feeling i've been here before..cept' for some reason i can't recall did'nt commentRe: IMHO
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