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I want to know what you all think about drabbles. For me, the best drabbles have an impact that is inversely proportional to their size-- they hit the reader round the face with the all the force of a large well-swung haddock. That's what I aspire to, anyway, one day. I also tend to think that to do that they require a lot of time and effort.
[Poll #385199]

Date: 2004-11-15 04:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gehayi.livejournal.com
My answer to the second question was necessarily incorrect. I wanted to say, "No, I don't enjoy writing drabbles," but that wasn't available as a choice. The only thing available was "No, I never write them." Which is not true. I do write drabbles. I just don't like it much. But then I don't get a lot of pleasure from writing, only from having written.

Date: 2004-11-17 01:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] louiselux.livejournal.com
I actually had that option, but then cut it out because I thought it was redundant. I think I was wrong! Actually, it's funny you should comment because a comment of your about drabbles was partly ther inspiration for this post - you said something about how drabbles took you hours to write. They take me hours to write too, but I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

Date: 2004-11-15 06:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cicerothewriter.livejournal.com
My advice would not fit in the comment box, so I decided to put it here (I hope you don't mind *g*).

I tend to not worry about the length so much. If I start to write a drabble, and find out that my idea is too long, then that just means that I'm writing a story, which is just as good. If I run out of idea at about 100 words, then I go back and tweak the phrases, words, etc. If I don't think that the drabble has a point or is very interesting, then it is either trashed or (more likely since I never throw anything away) I will keep it until it can be continued. I tend to prefer drabbles that don't hang about in the nothingness - although in all fairness I've probably written some drabbles that have no context. To solve that, I usually explain the context in the author's notes.

Date: 2004-11-17 01:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] louiselux.livejournal.com
Context is a tricky thing - I always feel that having context in the notes means that the drabble has beaten me. If I have to do that I tend not to post the drabble, but, like you, leave it until I can think of a way to fix it.

Date: 2004-11-15 06:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kindkit.livejournal.com
I think the best drabbles are like poetry: they're language in concentrated form. I'm going to recommend one in the Buffy the Vampire Slayer/Angel the Series fandom, which I'm not sure if you even read. But it's a lovely drabble. Open (http://www.livejournal.com/community/sunday100/609831.html), by [livejournal.com profile] glossing.

Date: 2004-11-17 01:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] louiselux.livejournal.com
Exactly my thoughts! Thanks for the rec, too.

Date: 2004-11-15 07:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] proteinscollide.livejournal.com
True Love's Kiss (http://www.livejournal.com/community/snape100/131561.html) by Bernice (HP)
Billet-Doux (http://prillalar.com/fic/stories/000209.php) by Prillalar (HP)
Almost (http://ellaminnow.dombillijah.com/almost.html) by Ella Minnow (lotrips)

Date: 2004-11-17 01:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] louiselux.livejournal.com
Thank you! I already know and love True Love's Kiss, but it's always worth a reread. *g*

Date: 2004-11-15 10:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luthien.livejournal.com
I didn't answer 'as deserving of effort as long stories' simply because drabbles never take me long to write. I find they're either there, or they're not. The bones of them come to me with the idea, and most of the actual writing involves refining the initial draft. I want them to be as close to perfect as I can make them because I'm always pretty exacting about any fic that I write, but that's not quite the same thing as effort.

Date: 2004-11-17 01:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] louiselux.livejournal.com
Yes, I think you have a good point - it's not effort as in time expended, but as in the need to make it as good as you can, even if it's only 100 words.

Date: 2004-11-15 11:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lisa-bee.livejournal.com
In the Event of a Fire (http://www.livejournal.com/community/fuda_100/61648.html) Yami no Matsuei, clever use of postit notes. Hysterically funny.
Rewritten on the Body (http://www.livejournal.com/users/untrue_accounts/13999.html) Yami no Matsuei again. One of the best drabbles I have ever seen.
Holocaust (http://www.livejournal.com/community/fuda_100/158838.html) Yami no Matsuei. As painful as the first one is fun. Pure ouch, not a wasted syllable.

And I like browsing through [livejournal.com profile] wk_100 because good stuff pops up there a lot.

Date: 2004-11-17 01:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] louiselux.livejournal.com
Ooh, Yami drabbles - thanks for these!

Date: 2004-11-16 10:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lexin.livejournal.com
You haven't allowed an option of 'I write them very rarely indeed, but occasionally an idea will strike which doesn't need 40,000 words.'

Date: 2004-11-17 01:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] louiselux.livejournal.com
Heh. Yes, good point.

Date: 2004-11-16 10:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] mizbean.livejournal.com
I like my drabble to be 100 words. This is usually how I write my drabbles. After I come up with a concept, I sketch it out briefly with a few sentences and I always write my last line early, so I don't sacrifice it when I'm trying to get to that 100 word count. Sometimes I write my drabble backwards and sometimes I build them from the middle.

And crazily, the last drabble I wrote came in at 100 words in its first draft.

Date: 2004-11-17 01:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] louiselux.livejournal.com
I just tried writing a drabble backwards, and it was surpringly useful. Thinking about where you want your drabble to get to helps, I find, because you have so few steps to get there.

Date: 2004-11-17 06:36 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] mizbean.livejournal.com
Oh good! I'm glad that worked for you. And I'm glad you understood my comment, it was rather late.

Thinking about where you want your drabble to get to helps, I find, because you have so few steps to get there.

Yep, I totally agree.

Here's another rec: http://www.livejournal.com/community/malfoy100/43712.html

Date: 2004-11-17 12:30 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] tears-of-nienna.livejournal.com
For my own purposes, drabbles have to be 100 words. And really, if that's the only way the OCD chooses to manifest itself, that's fine with me. But I don't hold other people to the same scrutiny--I don't go counting words and then sneering at people whose drabbles are 102 or 175 words long.

I recced my favorite HP drabble in the poll itself, but Losseniaiel (http://www.fanfiction.net/u/232618/) writes beautiful Tolkien drabbles, as well.

And this (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2015049/1/) is my favorite drabble wot I wrote. /self-promotion

Date: 2004-11-17 01:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] louiselux.livejournal.com
I can't tell just by reading if a drabble is bit more than 100 words, so really it doesn't matter to me as reader, but as a writer, like you say, OCD takes over and I hold myself to the 100 word limit compulsively.
From: [identity profile] skuf.livejournal.com
I said 30-45 mins for how long it takes me to write a drabble - I don't actually know, as I have never timed it. But I do know there are often things I have to look up, or even research (Egyptian names for spices, for example…). And the tweaking to hit exactly 100 words.²

And I voted "as deserving of your effort as a long story" and "an amusing writing excercise": I do put as much thought and effort into a drabble as into a longer story - but of course given that they are short things, it doesn't take as long to write. "An amusing writing excercise" sounds a bit shallow (I don't know how you meant it?), but I do enjoy them and the challenge of making 100 words read-worthy.

And drabbles definitely have to be 100 words exactly - not that you can't write 134-word mini-fics ("non-drabbles" in my vocabulary, for lack of a better term), they're just not drabbles :o) !

Do you have any advice to give about writing good drabbles?
One characteristic of the drabble is definitely the impact you mention - that they pack a punch. Another very important characteristic to me (though I don't I've seen this discussed much/ever), is the amount of reader inference: the reader should have to work for it in a drabble, and preferably each re-reading³ adds a little more understanding of what's going on.

It's perfectly possible to have non-drabbles that do this, too - but it's a challenge, and therefore an accomplishment to be able to do it in 100 words, no more, no less.

So when writing a drabble, one should write toward "the punch" - but subtly - and in 100 words :o)

Recommend me an excellent drabble
Wah, I really have to clean up my Favorite Drabbles list (http://www.livejournal.com/users/skuf/13815.html)! I collected a bunch of wonderful drabbles, only to discover that most of them weren't actually 100 words exactly. But then I got lazy and put them all together, anyways. And have been much remiss in separating them since then :o( ! For now, though, I know these are exactly 100 words:

Severus looks in the mirror (http://www.livejournal.com/community/hp100/19325.html) (Snape[/Remus], PG) by [livejournal.com profile] isiscolo
(Don't miss [livejournal.com profile] brevisse's "comic" (http://isis.arithmancy.net/slm.htm), beautifully illustrating Isis's words).

The Soft Drink Offensive v.2.0 (http://www.livejournal.com/users/dorrie6/238771.html) (Draco, [G]) by [livejournal.com profile] dorrie6
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¹[livejournal.com profile] gblvr was nice enough to put up a poll on drabbles for me back when I didn't have a paid account. Results/discussion (http://www.livejournal.com/users/skuf/28424.html#DrabblePollResults) (At this point I'm still referring to non-drabbles as "vignettes" at times - I didn't know better. Though to this day I still don't know what to call non-drabbles, either :o) !).

²Or 50/150/200. I consider these valid, though lesser relatives of the drabble.

³Up to a certain point - it's only 100 words, after all, so at one point there'll be little more to wring out of it (but then I don't believe in fictional text as being open to endless interpretation - if you keep going long enough, you are no longer reading, but mis-reading, in my opinion).
From: [identity profile] louiselux.livejournal.com
Another very important characteristic to me (though I don't I've seen this discussed much/ever), is the amount of reader inference:

It's interesting that this point has come up in what other people say - obviously people don't like their drabbles to be merely an easy read, and that for me ties in with the idea of it having impact-- a drabble should have implications, and those implications should grow on you. Well, I say 'should', but there's clearly no right way to write anything.

As to what to call non-drabbles - I tend to call them very short stories or vignettes. The purist in me says that people shouldn't call anything over 100 words a drabble, but in reality I can't make myself to care too much.

I really like the point you make about stopping at some point. I think I spend too long on drabbles and probably should learn to drop things if they're not working, but it's similar to 'how long is a piece of string'. How long do you spend before you give up.

Date: 2004-11-19 02:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skuf.livejournal.com
Vignettes are a specific genre, too, though - just because something is short, it's not automatically a vignette.

I really like the point you make about stopping at some point.
I meant as far as interpretation goes: I don't believe in infinite interpretation of a text - and certainly not of a drabble. But it's also true that if a drabble is not working, one should let it go :o)

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